January 2024 Weather in the PNW (Part II)

[Blizzard777]

Who else here has “The Day After Tomorrow “ on in the background

[Omegaraptor]

3 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

I’ve never experienced single digits in my life. Hoping for a first!!

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

[GHweatherChris]

Just now, Blizzard777 said:

Who else here has “The Day After Tomorrow “ on in the background

watched it while working from home today lol

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

Just now, MossMan said:

It’s amazing! The lowest I have been in would be -12 in Moses lake. I don’t remember the year but it was prior to 2013 when my mom still lived on the lake. 

Well now I'm really rooting for it to get super cold, as many of you have never seen temps as cold as the ECMWF and GEM are showing. January 1997 I got to experience -42 in Banff Canada, so these forecasts aren't even close to the temps I've experienced before.

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

Coldest I experienced was -5°F in Feb 2015 (although that was with winds ripping near 60mph). At that point it started to burn my skin more than it felt cold, if that makes sense.

[RentonHill]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

That doesn’t contradict what I said. If you take each ensemble member and average it from D5-10, none are as cold as the operational run.

That doesn’t mean the operational run is coldest the whole time, but it’s the coldest over that timespan.

That make more sense?

[LowerGarfield]

2 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

It seems to be about 105F and about 5 to 10F respectively for the interior. For the west side I would say below 20F just feels really different with all that moisture. Cold cramping and cracked hands.

[SpaceRace22]

13 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

Are you ok dude

 

He's trying REALLY hard to upset us silly West Coasters, okay. He's running out of material and options here, so give the poor guy a break, okay. Just WAIT until he comes up with some good acronyms to shoehorn in here. Then you'll be SORRY.

[Randyc321]

11 minutes ago, MossMan said:

I think Phil needs to take another flight! 

 

[Deweydog]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

That doesn’t contradict what I said. If you take each ensemble member and average it from D5-10, none are as cold as the operational run.

That doesn’t mean the operational run is coldest the whole time, but it’s the coldest over that timespan.

That make more sense?

[Gummy]

6 minutes ago, Blizzard777 said:

Who else here has “The Day After Tomorrow “ on in the background

I will need to see two more solid euro runs before doing so. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

Fine, the 00z CMC isn’t an outlier and will definitely verify.

[RentonHill]

1 minute ago, SpaceRace22 said:

He's trying REALLY hard to upset us silly West Coasters, okay. He's running out of material and options here, so give the poor guy a break, okay. Just WAIT until he comes up with some good acronyms to shoehorn in here. Then you'll be SORRY.

I mean yes it’s the coldest that’s fine. I just would disagree with “huge outlier” label, especially early on

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

5 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

Ten above feels the same as zero, 10 below feels a little colder than zero. And at about 15 below everything changes. Once you hit 20 below it becomes very hard to do things outside. The difference between zero and 25 below are like the difference between 50 degrees and 90. It's a whole different animal.  

[BLI snowman]

8 minutes ago, Blizzard777 said:

Who else here has “The Day After Tomorrow “ on in the background

Watching Snowpiercer.

[the_convergence_zone]

6 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

IMO everything below single digits feels the same, at least down to -20 which is the coldest it would get in southern Wisconsin. 
 

Wind chill is what really matters.

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, Randyc321 said:

 

I actually hate beer.  Yes I am the laughing stock of all friends and family for that.

[Blizzard777]

1 minute ago, BLI snowman said:

Watching Snowpiercer.

That one looks intriguing!  Definitely on the list 

[Randyc321]

2 minutes ago, Gummy said:

I will need to see two more solid euro runs before doing so. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Let us know when you on board @Gummy.  You are super picky.   If you think it's gonna snow and get cold that's good enough for me.  

[MossMan]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

Fine, the 00z CMC isn’t an outlier and will definitely verify.

That’s better! 

[Meatyorologist]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Fine, the 00z CMC isn’t an outlier and will definitely verify.

Better. Now drop maggot and give me a hundred!

[Phil]

1 minute ago, the_convergence_zone said:

IMO everything below single digits feels the same, at least down to -20 which is the coldest it would get in southern Wisconsin. 
 

Wind chill is what really matters.

Yeah wind is to cold as dewpoint is to heat.

I’ve never experienced subzero cold that didn’t come with a relentless and ferocious NW wind. We simply don’t get real cold here unless the TPV is smack dab overhead, and that hasn’t happened since 2015.

[Frontal Snowsquall]

14 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

Well now I'm really rooting for it to get super cold, as many of you have never seen temps as cold as the ECMWF and GEM are showing. January 1997 I got to experience -42 in Banff Canada, so these forecasts aren't even close to the temps I've experienced before.

Yikes man! Is that cold enough to freeze food on the spot? This is in Antarctica at -94F.

 

https://www.insider.com/cooking-antarctica-freezing-photos-2018-10

 

[Phil]

THE DOCTOR IS RUNNING

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

Just now, Phil said:

THE DOCTOR IS RUNNING

Do you think it will cave or be the same?

[SpaceRace22]

Just now, Phil said:

THE DOCTOR IS RUNNING

Tonight Dr. No becomes Dr. Yes

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

4 minutes ago, Phil said:

I actually hate beer.  Yes I am the laughing stock of all friends and family for that.

Disliking certain types, or preferably all alcohol is a good thing. I've never had a drop in my life, and people always think I'm weird and missing out, and that's usually a good way to judge what type of person someone is, if they judge you for being healthy. Alcohol sucks, I've seen it ruin too many lives growing up, I'll never touch alcohol.

[Phishy Wx]

19 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

it gets noticeable at -10, imo.  add in wind, brutal.  I've see -35 on Mt Washington in NH.  wind chills were close to -90.  we didn't go outside the observatory in that weather so not really sure how it felt but did go outside when it was warmer than -20 and the wind chill was warmer than -50.  extreme cold is extreme once it gets below -20 regardless of wind

 

 

[SpaceRace22]

If the Euro caves to the GFS tonight, I'm going to book a window seat on an Alaska Airlines 737MAX

[SouthHillFrosty]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

THE DOCTOR IS RUNNING

I got my Taco Bell and I’m ready to rock!

[Phil]

Just now, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

Disliking certain types, or preferably all alcohol is a good thing. I've never had a drop in my life, and people always think I'm weird and missing out, and that's usually a good way to judge what type of person someone is, if they judge you for being healthy. Alcohol sucks, I've seen it ruin too many lives growing up, I'll never touch alcohol.

Except I’m an alcoholic.  I’ve tried to deny it but slipped back into old habits over the summer. Went dry over the fall and minus a slip up on New Year’s Eve have been doing alright. 

[Phishy Wx]

we'd also do the throw hot coffee in the air and watch it instantly freeze trick too. that occurs at about -20 ish 

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Do you think it will cave or be the same?

I haven’t the slightest clue, but we’ll know which direction it’s going by hr60-72.

[RayRay]

O M G

 

BACK DOWN TO 7F again 

[Doinko]

Last year was the coldest I have ever been, around -20 in Denver with the December blast. We had fun throwing hot water in the air and watching it freeze. That was surreal, just the day earlier we were hiking in the 50s with sun.

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, RayRay said:

O M G

 

BACK DOWN TO 7F again 

OMG the rain is going to stop?  

[High Desert Mat?]

5 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said:

it gets noticeable at -10, imo.  add in wind, brutal.  I've see -35 on Mt Washington in NH.  wind chills were close to -90.  we didn't go outside the observatory in that weather so not really sure how it felt but did go outside when it was warmer than -20 and the wind chill was warmer than -50.  extreme cold is extreme once it gets below -20 regardless of wind

 

 

Coldest I’ve felt was -27 here in Redmond. A couple times. It’s the all time record low here I believe. I’ve felt negative teens and 20’s several times since moving here. Usually a light breeze or no breeze at all. Hurts to breathe when it’s below -20. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

21 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

From people who have experienced serious cold temps (below -10) I have to wonder whether there is a point of diminishing returns with sensation of extreme cold. In fact the few times I've experienced single digits I feel like I've started to notice it. Kind of like how a 116 degree day doesn't really feel drastically different from a 108 degree day. After a while an icebox is an icebox and a broiling oven is a broiling oven.

I remember waiting for the school bus on nearly calm -20˚F mornings in northern New Mexico, and every little slight bit of breeze was incredibly painful on my bare face.

Got to experience -10˚F with wind chills below -50 in college and you simply did not go out in such conditions without having all exposed skin covered. Balaclavas were mandatory. Oh, and put gloves on BEFORE opening the door to go out or else your hand will stick to the knob.

[Front Ranger]

3 minutes ago, Doinko said:

Last year was the coldest I have ever been, around -20 in Denver with the December blast. We had fun throwing hot water in the air and watching it freeze. That was surreal, just the day earlier we were hiking in the 50s with sun.

That was also the coldest I've experienced. Crazy you were here for one of the regions coldest days on record!

[iFred]

2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I remember waiting for the school bus on nearly calm -20˚F mornings in northern New Mexico, and every little slight bit of breeze was incredibly painful on my bare face.

Got to experience -10˚F with wind chills below -50 in college and you simply did not go out in such conditions without having all exposed skin covered. Balaclavas were mandatory. Oh, and put gloves on BEFORE opening the door to go out or else your hand will stick to the knob.

Red River?