Popular Post MikeInEverett Posted January 19 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19 Also.. Cliff has a burner account apparently. 4 1 20 1 2 Quote (Previous name: MillCreekMike) Everett, WA (elev. 180’) 2023-2024 Snowfall: 1/11: Tr. 1/18: Tr. Go M’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FroYoBro Posted January 19 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, MikeInEverett said: Also.. Cliff has a burner account apparently. Hillsborough Or. 3 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastexpat Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastexpat Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 NWS has their February and Spring 2024 forecasts out. Noticed that NWS climate models are favouring below average temperatures for the PNW for Spring 2025. 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snownerd3000 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Just walked my dog in the worst kind of rain. 34 degree rain. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeInEverett Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, westcoastexpat said: NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning Shows me in the darker shade of blue.. They think I’ve had more snow than Randy! 4 Quote (Previous name: MillCreekMike) Everett, WA (elev. 180’) 2023-2024 Snowfall: 1/11: Tr. 1/18: Tr. Go M’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Hope this helps re: freezing rain. Cliff Mass is either misinformed or making stuff up. http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/210/ “The rain drops could be well above freezing before striking a freezing surface. The warmth of the rain drops could even be enough to warm the temperature above freezing and end the freezing rain event. The depth and maximum warmth of the elevated warm layer aloft and the depth and minimum chill of the low level PBL determine the temperature of a rain drop just before it strikes the surface. A warm and deep EWL and a shallow layer of lower PBL temperatures below freezing will allow raindrops to fall that may be well above freezing. These "warm" raindrops will take much longer to freeze than the "supercooled" raindrops. The warm raindrops must be both cooled to the freezing point and crystallized to ice.” 9 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SouthHillFrosty Posted January 19 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19 (edited) These past two weeks, we have had Cliff Mass destroy his reputation and Sean leave his legacy on here. What a time. I’m never leaving Edited January 19 by SouthHillFrosty 3 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeInEverett Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said: These past two weeks, we have had Cliff Mass destroy his reputation and Sean leave his legacy on here. What a time This Arctic Blast may not have given us good snow but it definitely gave us some good content 2 1 Quote (Previous name: MillCreekMike) Everett, WA (elev. 180’) 2023-2024 Snowfall: 1/11: Tr. 1/18: Tr. Go M’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 But actually, the article I linked also contains an error re: latent heat release during freezing. I just spotted it now. The release of latent heat occurs *during the phase change* from liquid to solid. A supercooled droplet hasn’t undergone a phase change yet, and has not released latent heat to freeze. Surprised how many professional meteorologists seem to get that wrong. It’s important! 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 13 minutes ago, westcoastexpat said: NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 The reason latent heat release is tied to the phase change is because the molecular re-arrangement (from the amorphous state to a lattice) cannot occur without a loss of potential/kinetic energy. So no, super-cooled droplets do not negate the release of latent heat during the freezing process. It just happens faster when the phase change ultimately occurs. 3 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Green lightning! 2 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fircrest Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, CliffMassYelledAtMe said: If you're bored and want to know some of what fed Cliff's big ego, you could read this from 2009: https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2009/09/weather-1009 The fact that Cliff doesn't get those numbers anymore and that YouTube folks like Snyder are getting some of the following Cliff had may have somehting to do with it. But as in most cases of classical tragedy, his downfall has continued to be his own hubris. Thanks for that link. I skimmed through it and found it to be quite interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagit Weather Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 36 minutes ago, westcoastexpat said: NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning Here's a higher resolution version: Seasonal Snowfall And specifically for the Puget Sound 6 1 Quote Home Wx Station Stats (Since January 2008): Max Temp: 96.3F (2009) Min Temp: 2.0F (2008) Max Wind Gust: 45 mph (2018, 2021) Wettest Day: 2.34 (11/4/22) Avg Yearly Precip: 37" 10yr Avg Snow: 8.0" Snowfall Totals '08-09: 30" | '09-10: 0.5" | '10-11: 21" | '11-12: 9.5" | '12-13: 0.2" | '13-14: 6.2" | '14-15: 0.0" | '15-16: 0.25"| '16-17: 8.0" | '17-18: 0.9"| '18-19: 11.5" | '19-20: 11" | '20-21: 10.5" | '21-22: 21.75" | '22-23: 10.0" 2023-24: 7.0" (1/17: 3", 1/18: 1.5", 2/26: 0.5", 3/4: 2.0", Flakes: 1/11, 1/16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken in Wood Village Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 We have been have major fluctuations with our power. In the past hour our power has gone off and on 10 times. I was outside and a big chunk of ice fell off the fir tree. My sister took the picture. This is what we have been dealing with all day today. If you like, you can pin this so everyone can see it 🌧 6 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 38 minutes ago, westcoastexpat said: NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning Link? Edit: Nevermind. @Skagit Weather linked it. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 I believe a switch to snow is in the making here, temp has dropped from 35 to 33.4 in 20 minutes and I can see a snow flake here and there. 9 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRG Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 30.1 in SE PDX (Mt Tabor). Winds picking up and gusting. Trees are more iced up than they were yesterday and power's flickering. Couple branches already cracked off the tree in back, one smacked the patio cover pretty good. Dog went downstairs, like F this I'm out. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doinko Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Another thin layer of ice on most surfaces, this snow is definitely not melting fully soon. Lot of snow/slush on roads and sidewalks are pretty icy in places. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, Skagit Weather said: Here's a higher resolution version: Seasonal Snowfall And specifically for the Puget Sound Around 14" so far IMBY so I’d be in the yellow if I were on that map. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy rocks Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Cliff Mass thinks that warm raindrops hitting the ground can warm up the air around it and warm the current temperature. Do I have that right? So In Portland when we have ice storms such as in 2004 for instance. when my thermometer was stuck on 17 degrees for five days.I was just seeing things. I think he needs to spend some time in and near the gorge when we have an ice storm. It always takes an extra two or three days to come out of a ice storm, first Portland, warms, then the mouth of the gorge and finally in the gorge. It's a slow process. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perturbed Member Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Doinko said: Another thin layer of ice on most surfaces, this snow is definitely not melting fully soon. Lot of snow/slush on roads and sidewalks are pretty icy in places. Yeah 32F here and moderate rain. I can see the drops of water on the trees have re-frozen. Both the cold and snowcover have had impressive longevity with this event. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TT-SEA Posted January 19 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19 Alabama Hill in Bellingham taken yesterday afternoon. 13 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 It was a freezing rain ice storm in places. Jesus h christ what it wrong with that assshole. Maybe a few spots around the area didn't freeze but 90% did. What does this look like Cliff Mass you coward, I know your looking here. 1 1 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Wow seatac is 36 dewpoint 28 with rain. I have never seen that last without changing to snow. This was very close to being a widespread huge snow event 5 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 52 minutes ago, westcoastexpat said: NWS snowfall accumulation analysis for the 2023-24 season so far, as of this morning I’m in the white!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepFriedEgg Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Wow we are really lucky the precip has stopped. Since sunset everything has basically refrozen and the last bit of precip caused a light glazing. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV_snow Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Nothing like 34 degree rain all day. This is a weenie post, but I thought this location would be better for snow when I moved here. Seems like we are too far south to capitalize on CZ’s, too far east that our precip gets shredded by east winds, and too low in elevation to capitalize on marginal situations like North Bend. It is what it is and I feel @snow_wizard’s pain. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: Wow seatac is 36 dewpoint 28 with rain. I have never seen that last without changing to snow. This was very close to being a widespread huge snow event Farther than it appears at the surface though. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 30 minutes ago, Skagit Weather said: Here's a higher resolution version: Seasonal Snowfall And specifically for the Puget Sound It cuts Leavenworth in half pretty much. The 36-48 and the 48-72 line runs right through town. Actually not a bad map. The accumulated snowfall here this winter is approximately 55-60 inches so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 34.6 and wet out All lines fixed and I can move on with my life 2 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tanis Leach Posted January 19 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 19 6 hours ago, the_convergence_zone said: Everyone better get to work on their apologies...turns out there is a new type of weather that we didn't know about... https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2024/01/freezing-rain-or-rain-that-freezes-they.html This is coming from someone who likes Cliff Mass more than most of you on the forum. He also can't use the amateur excuse since I have my degree. This contradicts what my Oregon State professors taught me about the dynamics of freezing rain. Also, why make such a big deal about it? Everyone misses forecasts and instead of trying to justify it, explain what went wrong. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 11 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Farther than it appears at the surface though. My temp is back down to 32.8 from 35 about 1 hr ago, I think when the precip gets lighter the airmass cools from evaporative cooling. Bizarre. It could switch back to snow here, I can see flakes. 4 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Defense Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Solidly in freezing rain territory here (or is it rain that freezes?), we have not gotten above 30 degrees, but it switched completely over to rain around 2:45 or so. Thankfully, the rain has been extremely light, so not too much ice accumulation, but the trees are starting to sag a bit. Took the dog for a walk in crunchy snow, and when we got back, knocked the snow/ice off the windshield of both cars. Had good traction for the most part, but while I was looking where I was going to step, there was all this commotion with the dog and I looked over to see what her issue was as she was picking herself up off the ground. Didn't 2+2=4 the situation, and proceeded to step where she was, and the next thing I knew I was staring at the sky. I guess a bunch of water came off the car and created a nice sheet of ice under the snow layer. 3 Quote Britton Rd Bellingham Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWABELLI103?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 26 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: My temp is back down to 32.8 from 35 about 1 hr ago, I think when the precip gets lighter the airmass cools from evaporative cooling. Bizarre. It could switch back to snow here, I can see flakes. It is pretty crazy. Our power came back on for an hour late this afternoon and on our front door cam I saw a gust of wind that blew snow off the roof in swirls. That doesn't seem like something that would happen with the current 925mb temps. 5 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: It is pretty crazy. Our power came back on for an hour late this afternoon and on our front door cam I saw a gust of wind that blew snow off the roof in swirls. That doesn't seem like something that would happen with the the current 925mb temps. Are you not home? Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, FroYoBro said: The temperature reading at pdx must be wrong. Still at 36 even though much of the Portland metro area is back down to 31-33 degrees. They are also reporting freezing rain which is tough to do at 36 degrees. I do wonder about that station sometimes. They often tend to be at least 1-3 warmer than stations in their immediate surroundings. Hit a high of 36 here today, in the morning. Has been gradually dropping as the day has gone on, and back down to 32 now with a light glaze accumulating on everything again. 3 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Rain and 32˚F. It’s over. Got 0.8" of mostly sleet this afternoon, taking my seasonal snow total to 14.4". (Yes, it is standard practice to count sleet accumulations together with snow.) That’s more than I expected to get all season, given El Niño. 6 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: Are you not home? Nah... needed to work and couldn't count on power or internet at home so me and daughter went to hotel in Bellevue. My wife is in MN this week taking care of her dad... she traded an ice storm for even colder temps! 6 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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