Timmy Supercell Posted December 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 In many mountain locations it can freeze any day of the year, even in July and August. Not sure if Timmy gets summer frost on a frequent basis, but places like La Pine, Chemult, and Alturas do. I've personally experienced 30ºF in July in Sunriver. I can see one or two freezes in mid-late June around 28-30 degrees, and in late September usually. After July 1st though I don't think I've had colder than 38 or 39. 1 Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 19 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I consider any model-gazing more than a week into the future to be merely a modern form of haruspication.Not even looking that one up. The point is, we can have intellectual dialogue without the need for googling every other word, that is my point. Smart people know when to speak the proper way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I remember the night shift in late Jan that started showing the goodies that came in Feb. Let's have the same thing happen soon! Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I remember the night shift in late Jan that started showing the goodies that came in Feb. Let's have the same thing happen soon! Hopefully this time the goodies are more spread out. I'm not counting on it though. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hopefully this time the goodies are more spread out. I'm not counting on it though.My backyard is all that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 40F and damp. Glad we are into meteorological winter. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Not even looking that one up. The point is, we can have intellectual dialogue without the need for googling every other word, that is my point. Smart people know when to speak the proper way. My conjecture is that it behooves one to eschew the floccinaucinihilipilification of sesquipedialian terms. 2 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 My conjecture is that it behooves one to eschew the floccinaucinihilipilification of sesquipedialian terms. Sorry, but I couldn't resist. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 40F and damp. Glad we are into meteorological winter. If its any consolation... its exactly the same here. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 My conjecture is that it behooves one to eschew the floccinaucinihilipilification of sesquipedialian terms. Say that to Phil in acronyms pls. 2 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Not even thunderstorms. "The West" is more than just the Pacific coast. The southern Rockies usually have a very nice monsoon season, with almost-daily thunderstorms in July and August. Yet it's almost never hot and muggy; if it isn't warm-to-cool (but not hot) and thundery, then it's hot and dry. Plus there's snow in the winter. You still pay for it with extremes. Lots more 80's and 90's in the summer, and if you're high enough to regularly get snow in the winter, you're also high enough to get subzero lows in the wake of cold fronts. And gardening can be "fun": if it's later than mid-May, your transplants will fail because of hot spells causing excessive drought stress. If it's earlier than mid-June, they will fail because a late frost will get them. Not to mention the effect of early and late falls of heavy wet snow when trees are fully leaved-out.Those monsoon thunderstorms aren’t nearly as intense/severe as the linear/quasi-linear and super-cellular storm events in the Midwest and East, though. The cloud tops, flash rates, PWATs, bulk shear, and updraft helicity are all lower, for the most part. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I find Phil's posts acronym-heavy to the point where it is often difficult for me to understand what he's talking about, and I've tried searching for the acronyms more than once. The NWS has a glossary of common weather terms, but I find most of the acronyms Phil uses are not in it. As such, I tend to skip over most of his posts. The rub is, I believe myself to be more knowledgeable than the average person when it comes to climate and weather. If I was making posts (in a forum for enthusiasts, not professionals) that left even interested lay people confused, I'd rethink my posting strategy. But maybe that's just me.Which acronyms are you referring to? Why not ask me? I’ll happily elaborate if needs be, but nobody has ever asked me to, so how would I know there’s an issue? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Which acronyms are you referring to? Why not ask me? I’ll happily elaborate if needs be, but nobody has ever asked me to.WTF, people ask you literally all the time to explain your thoughts in a way that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairiedog Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Yes. We all may know what something means but it doesn’t mean it is necessary. Let us not turn this forum into Good Will Hunting. I believe everyone on this forum has knowledge to share. Most weather geeks probably have scored higher in certain academic areas whether they be general knowledge tests, SATs or IQ tests. But it is much more fun to converse in an open forum where everyone has an understanding of the topic being discussed. I graduated high school in 1995 and I can guarantee you the curriculum is much easier now than it was then. I don’t like it. But I do also understand that the smartest people make things understandable for everyone. Not necessarily dumbed down, but more consumable to the masses. That is what a true genius does.I respectful disagree with your comment. Curriculum is much more challenging today in many schools. Not sure where you went. The difference is a completely different kind of student and many more challenging social issues. I taught for almost 40 years and retired in '04. My wife still teaches. What she does and the science and math departments are far more challenging than when I taught. Maybe learning was more challenging for you back then. I don't know about you but it's not easier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Those monsoon thunderstorms aren’t nearly as intense/severe as the linear/quasi-linear and super-cellular storm events in the Midwest and East, though. The cloud tops, flash rates, PWATs, bulk shear, and updraft helicity are all lower, for the most part. As a general rule, yes, but a few times a summer conditions would be right for larger, more violent storms that could be quite Midwest-like (though almost never approaching supercell strength). OTOH, the Rockies get hail much more frequently than the Midwest does. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Which acronyms are you referring to? Why not ask me? I’ll happily elaborate if needs be, but nobody has ever asked me to, so how would I know there’s an issue?How about trying this for a week Phil? Am experiment, so to speak. Instead of using the acronym, spell it all out. I know it may take longer to post but perhaps we can see where you are coming from more, and in turn, learn something. Deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 WTF, people ask you literally all the time to explain your thoughts in a way that makes sense.Which acronyms? I’m still waiting, lol. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Which acronyms are you referring to? Why not ask me? I’ll happily elaborate if needs be, but nobody has ever asked me to, so how would I know there’s an issue? Can't recall any specific examples, but the next time you use any that confuse me, I will ask. I did make a recent post about "TLA's" which hinted at a need for definitions, but probably wasn't an explicit ask. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Chilly afternoon/evening for putting up lights! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Which acronyms? I’m still waiting, lol.Most of them, as well as at least 90% of everything else you say, for starters. Not trying to be a **** but it seems like you ignore those posts asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 As a general rule, yes, but a few times a summer conditions would be right for larger, more violent storms that could be quite Midwest-like (though almost never approaching supercell strength). OTOH, the Rockies get hail much more frequently than the Midwest does.That’s true re: hail. I forget why that is..IIRC it’s related to lower upper level moisture content/dry bulbs but I’m not really sure. Of course there’s some severe weather in the mountain West. But the ingredients necessary to produce the most powerful storms (whether they be derecho/QLCS type systems or supercells) are just not present. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 He is deflecting. Maybe he is a bot. Derecho, lol. Yes, I know what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 He is deflecting. Maybe he is a bot. Derecho, lol. Yes, I know what it is.A gaucho’s arch-nemesis. 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 That’s true re: hail. I forget why that is..IIRC it’s related to lower upper level moisture content/dry bulbs but I’m not really sure. Of course there’s some severe weather in the mountain West. But the ingredients necessary to produce the most powerful storms (whether they be derecho/QLCS type systems or supercells) are just not present. It's rare, but classical supercells have happened in the western US. Look up the July 9 1995 HP storm in OR/WA. It even had a 300 mile track (something that long lived is no normal severe thunderstorm). Also 4.00" hail too. 1 Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 19 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swamp Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 WTF, people ask you literally all the time to explain your thoughts in a way that makes sense. is it possible Richard morphed into Phil? Maybe Richard never left us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 None of you are as smart as Kevin Martin, is I think the lesson to be learned here. 1 Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 None of you are as smart as Kevin Martin, is I think the lesson to be learned here.Is that what the K stands for in your username? Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 6:52 PM Temp 36.4, dewpoint 29.0, east wind 20-30mph. Near West Gresham. The low level cold air is very stubborn. 00z GFS in 37 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Well, at least my totals and this station's are close together this season. My depth was 8" this morning though. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 19 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 After the historically dry November a mild wetter December is the best sign possible for January. A continuation of cool and dry would probably signal a 76-77 redux. You're talking pretty small sample sizes here, though. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 You're talking pretty small sample sizes here, though. Yes I am. And Phil says it is silly to look back that far. But I am trying to hang onto a shred of hope. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Richard is safe.Great news, thanks Fred!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deweydog Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 My 16 year old helped this year and the same thing happened.I doubt much will change in the next 14 years. She’s an emotional train wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Well, the more I think about it, the more I find that I'm just not a smart or talented person, so I suppose there's at least one person on here with little knowledge to share. But I enjoy learning from those who do have that spark of knowledge within them, acronyms present or not (though simple explanations seem to be better for everyone). Hey now. You have a lot of years ahead of you to discover the ways you're smart, and where your talents lie. 2 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterdog Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Maxed out at 37 today after a low of 22. Pretty chilly for the warming fuzzy end of a run of the mill coolish spell. Not one snow flake fell around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Those monsoon thunderstorms aren’t nearly as intense/severe as the linear/quasi-linear and super-cellular storm events in the Midwest and East, though. The cloud tops, flash rates, PWATs, bulk shear, and updraft helicity are all lower, for the most part. True, but our frequency of severe-warned storms is pretty high in this region. Just look at the number of days with hail...this area is one of the highest in the country. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kayla Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Got my first real bout of frostbite on my fingers this week! I’ve seen colors and swelling that I didn’t think was possible on ones hand. Not recommended. 1 Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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